[Pharo-project] Popularity of Smalltalk in Software Industry
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Sat May 7 02:50:33 EDT 2011
On 06/05/2011 22:23, Stefan Marr wrote:
> (and here we go again...)
> On 06 May 2011, at 18:55, Miguel Cobá wrote:
>> El vie, 06-05-2011 a las 18:32 +0200, Stefan Marr escribió:
>>> Well, I think my work on the RoarVM is some contribution, no? Perhaps, I would be more interested in Pharo if it would actually run nicely on the RoarVM, but I am stuck with a Squeak 3.x MVC image for my day to day work. And without anyone from the community approaching the work to make Pharo thread-safe that won't change. It is nice to change the world with Pharo, but the future is multi/manycore and Pharo does not support it. Ah, and the day has just 24h so don't expect anything from me beside the VM work, thats already enough to keep a whole team busy.
>> I found your post very contradicting and without internal consistency.
>> You don't care about smalltalk but are creating a vm should run
>> smalltalk (squeak or pharo) in multiple core. Don't get it. Or you care
>> that you dedicate time to it or you don't care and don't know why you
>> build a multicore vm for a system you don't care (maybe the money, the
>> papers, the citations, don't know)
> I am interested in VMs, so why do I need to care about the language on top? Actually, I do research in how to support all kind of different languages on top of the same VM, because there is not a single language that is the ultimate answer to all problems. That is why I do not care about any particular language.
> Just look at the JVM. How much of its technology was developed in the pure Java context? Not a lot. Most was actually conceived for Smalltalk.
> As long as the languages have some commonalities and are not based on graph-reduction like Haskell, then they usually don't require a completely new designed VM, but a nice set of common abstractions. So why, as a researcher, should I care about Smalltalk? Smalltalk is not the final answer, and will never be. Neither is any other single language.
Smalltalk the language no. Smalltalk the infinitely malleable
environment? That's another question :)
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