[Pharo-project] Inclusion of OB-Tools inside Pharo

David Pennell pennell.david at gmail.com
Mon Dec 22 11:48:46 EST 2008


Bill,
Can you give an example of the kind of comments that RB doesn't respect for
you?

I've used RB extensively on VW, but not much at all on Squeak yet.  It had
problems with end of line comments, but didn't do badly with comments on
there own line.  I adopted to its limitations rather than try to fix it
because the benefits were so large and I was too busy/lazy/etc.

-david

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Bill Schwab <BSchwab at anest.ufl.edu> wrote:

> Stef,
>
> One nice thing about the new browser is the RB integration.  Given my
> general aversion to having it rewrite my code (showing no respect at all
> for the dated comments therein), I'm an unlikely advocate.  Still, I use
> the RB for up/down refactorings (no rewrites needed), and will sometimes
> turn it loose on new code that has not had time to accumulate comments
> of value.  Others would consider its absence a showstopper.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
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> >>> stephane.ducasse at inria.fr 12/22/08 7:05 AM >>>
> I think that we should pay attention of the ratio
> of effort and number of people participating.
>
> My take would be to not include tools if they are not complete
> and at the same time may be create a group of people working on an
> specific
> issue for the next milestone.
> In the long run I would like to have less little bug fixes vs main
> improvements
> even if the little fixes are important.
> one of the question is how can we make significant progress as an open
> source project.
>
> Stef
>
>
> On Dec 22, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Michael Roberts wrote:
>
> > I'm interested at least in a discussion on the OB debugger.  This is
> > because
> >
> > 1) there are definitely some bugs in the core debugger.  Is it worth
> > trying to fix them?  I think yes, but I'm not sure I have the skills
> > to identify and fix them. I just know from using the core debugger it
> > sure does some strange things.
> > 2) The core debugger is missing features: stack variables, arguments,
> > breakpoints.  How hard is it to modify the core one?
> > 3) do we have enough volunteer effort to maintain two debuggers? I'm
> > not sure we do.
> >
> > I have only briefly used the ob debugger and I got a bit confused with
> > part of the UI so i'll need to look at it some more.  What are folks
> > thoughts on this key part of functionality?
> >
> > Then more generally i'm not sure it makes sense to have different
> > tools in the core vs the dev image.  I have to admit to not fully
> > understanding the 1.0 release plan but looking fwds to say 2.0, 3.0
> > there would be benefit from pushing OB + tools into the core and just
> > maintaining a single high quality set of tools across all variant
> > images?
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Damien Cassou
> <damien.cassou at gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Bill Schwab
> >> <BSchwab at anest.ufl.edu> wrote:
> >>> Sounds good.  And in that case (OB Tools at the end of the list),
> >>> I urge
> >>> serious attention to having a notifier.  Learning from history,
> >>> and all
> >>> that.
> >>
> >> Hi Bill,
> >>
> >> I decided to load OB-Tools (a reimplementation of some tools using
> >> the
> >> ob framework) inside the pharo-dev images. I put OB-Tools inside the
> >> list of packages that will be part of the official Pharo
> >> distribution.
> >> This was a mistake because no discussion happened about this package
> >> at all on this mailing list. I've just moved OB-Tools to the list of
> >> pending packages. Now, we have to discuss (in this new thread):
> >>
> >> - Do we want an OB-based version of the tools inside Pharo?
> >> - Do we want all tools implemented by Lukas or just some of them?
> >> - What features are missing?
> >> - What are the bugs?
> >> - Who maintains this package?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Damien Cassou
> >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
> >>
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